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A Preacher With A Parrot's avatar

First I want to applaud you for struggling with your faith. It's a difficult and lifelong pursuit and I'm confident that pursuing these questions will serve you well.

Second, God will never be the conclusion of any logical argument. Philosophy can be helpful but it will only take you so far. No one has ever created a bulletproof argument for or against God.

Third, you have rejected a label -- "Christian" -- without defining it. What is your relationship to the Jesus you find in scripture? To the Jesus you hear about from the pulpit? To the Cosmic Christ? Ultimately, the question that Jesus asks Peter is the one we are all invited to answer. "Who do you say that I am?"

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Tobias Lansberry's avatar

Divine hiddenness, theodicy, and eternal punishment are ones I've struggled with myself, and ultimately found comfort in what the Bible teaches more than any articulation of the tradition of man.

The Bible consistent describes God as "clothed in darkness". We also see the darkness as that which precedes the light. How can this be, if st John says "God is light" and God is before all things?

The narrative of Scriptures constantly asserts several things:

- God loves the whole world

- God actively upholds the whole world through his word and Spirit

- God wishes to save men from death

- More than simple obedience, God wishes our hearts, our wills and desires, to be oriented towards him

This naturally brings up the questions you have and many have had before you: Why doesn't God just save the whole world? Why does the world exist at all if God is already perfect? Why doesn't God reveal himself to everyone?

Consider the Bible's answer: We live in a world that belongs not to God, but to Satan, who is called "the ruler of this world" and "Prince of the power of the air". God, being a good God, cannot simply take by force what belongs to Satan - yet if he left Satan to his own devices, he would simply die, because God is the source of all life. And so God sends his Son and his Spirit to uphold creation and redeem it, turning the things that belong to darkness into things that belong to light. Because Satan, being everything God isn't, finds no value in the poor, in those who reject power, in those who seek after the things of God. Anyone who takes on suffering voluntarily for others is repulsive to him - therefore he gives up his inheritance for an empty field, for a bowl of soup, which will surely have an end. This is what Jesus means when he said he is "binding the strong man" (Satan) in order to plunder his house. The work of Jesus doesn't just free us from evil,it takes what would have been evil and turns it into good.

Consider the pictures God gives us for redemption:

- Adoption into God's family - why doesn't God "just redeem everyone" so they can be a part of his family? The same reason we know its bad parenting to simply force an unruly child to look like his parents on the outside while his heart is filled with hate. It's not loving to prefer a beautiful lie over an ugly truth. God is not a tyrant.

- Child of God - why doesn't God just make it so nobody ever suffers? The same reason we know that sheltering our kids from evil is selfish cruelty posing as kindness. Not only does it not prepare them, it robs them from adventure and the meaning found in overcoming suffering. God did not with old his own Son, his own self, from this suffering and adventure of overcoming it - indeed, he even took on the wrath of God and overcame, something we cannot do. It would be unloving to simply make us ignorant obedient servants as in the garden instead of if true sons and daughters.

- Marriage to Jesus - why doesn't God just make the church redeemed, let us into heaven? The same reason a man should not marry by forcibly taking a woman and forcing her to become a perfect bride - we can all agree a perfect man would not do such a thing. No, Jesus woos, he slowly reveals himself, and he invites us to do the same. God has no desire to rape us, even "for our own good". He wants our consent to be union with him, and he wants to dance with us in participation and relationship.

The answer is that all things hold together in love. Consider what love is, and you will find God.

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